Haters

[Drums]

Cannot freaking believe the haters posting in my Chernobyl review today.:confused::mad: Buncha complete morons. I give it a B, say it's just ok, and that there's better choices...and these apparent illiterates get on me because "there's better choices." Makes one not want to participate any longer.

[Calig909]

Don't let it get to you dude. People are stupid man.

I love the reviews here for strains only some of the time. People give bad comments, and everybodies level for tolerence is different. And even batches of the same strain sometimes just aren't as good because of the growers an all.

But Every Strain is an A Strain usually. I don't think i've ever seen a C, or a D strain. Especially from maybe a bad dispensary or anything.

One persons bubba kush is someones favorite. and another persons bubba kush is just some goods.

Dude, Keep doing what your doing cuz i dig your reviews. And say Fuck dem Haterz like your Eazy E

[TasK211]

2nd that Calig909, the "HONEST n ACCURATE" seems to be MISUNDERSTOOD, u gave ur "honest n accurate" opinion .. keep up the good work Drums !!

[Drums]

Thanks guys. The people *here* are, without exception (that I've seen), very cool/nice/friendly/helpful/etc. Be happy to meet pretty much any of them if they get to SoCal. However, there's people who post in the review threads that are just clueless. I don't even really have a problem with people posting something like: "Dude, that herb looks horrible...etc", but when I SAY it was just average, and give it a B rating, and they THEN say it...it just sounds like they traded their bongs for crack pipes.

[TasK211]

...it just sounds like they traded their bongs for crack pipes. LOL just might be the case, or keep the bongs around when coming down off the crack

[_spoon_]

definitely don't let it get to you and smoke a bowl. that fixes everything

[LeftHandLead]

F those chumps bro, NEVER let em see you sweat. Keep on keepin on man.

[some guy]

What a bunch of douche nozzle asshat dick biscuits!

Cum drunk jizz fairies!



Sorry about that, folks......got carried away.....

[Wesley]

Simpsons did it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzgEi_u9-88

[TasK211]

Embedding disabled by request ... error watch on actual youtube

[Muter]

wow thins are really getting out of hand! its people (kids) who just look at the pictures and say ""damn this isnt KUSH, ITS SHIT if its not kush" stupid ignorant fucks! smoked some sativa for you man, take it easy. i had to go check the review out halfway through typing this and dumbass ignorant kids. oh well, i laughed and i still am!

[novatoker]

my guess is these haters are just jealous that they havent had good enough bud yet. keep at it drums, i thought your reviews were great. and hilarious, that part about the cops in jamaica? i know that feeling way too well

[_spoon_]

just sing cee lo's new song new song to all the haters. in all honesty i had no idea who cee lo was until yesterday, but this song is pretty fantastic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAV0XrbEwNc

[Drums]

Simpsons did it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzgEi_u9-88>>>

Exactly!

[Grasstronaut]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YAy7-oKDnR8/S701vC8rRRI/AAAAAAAACqs/B4pbWuUkDrM/s400/haters-gonna-hate-32402-1270523864-286.jpg

[Bigsampson]

I usually just read the reviews and don't bother with the comments. Sometimes if it pertains to something I have smoked or been around grow wise then I will comment. Who cares about the haters....we all know they gonna hate haha. BTW the only thing I wish is we all had top notch camera's haha. Forget them and keep pumpin out dem reviews brah.

[vacoast777]

try living on the east coast haters everywhere in sight every corner

[Grasstronaut]

try living on the east coast haters everywhere in sight every corner

straight truth. everyone on the east seems to be a hater.

[Drums]

straight truth. everyone on the east seems to be a hater.>>>

Oh come on now. There's what, 100,000,000+ people on the east coast, and every one of them is a "hater"?

[Grasstronaut]

ok correction: almost everyone is a hater. example: in Philly 9 out of 10 people are some haters.

[TasK211]

I would assume cuz got more ppl on the East Coast getting the "GRIND ON", not that use here on the West dont, i c more of it (hustle) out that way...

[Grasstronaut]

yeah mad heads got that work out here. fuckin got the dudes with mexican schwag(what mad people smoke out here and some people have the nerve of callin it fire) the dudes with cali buds(buy weight cuz if your gettin less then an 8th chances are you get ripped off unless your A. cool with your connect or B. watch them weigh it) the pill pushers(MDMA, xanax, percs, and OC are pretty big out here) you wont find crack dealers out on the block in my hood but go to north philly n you'll see a lot of em. coke is around but its stepped on and expensive. heroin is a huge trade out here like the biggest or 2nd biggest in america(but I think it gets shipped or flown in from afghanistan seeing how the dope trade has gotten bigger each year since 9/11) plus cuz of the pillheads that are hooked on percs n OC they always move to dope cuz its cheaper. meth isnt super huge here but its still a big business. the only thing thats not really big out here is tripping. lsd is pretty hard to find unless you know the very small hippy population here. shrooms are semi rare just depends on the season and who you kno but the thing I dont get is theres legal shrooms that make you trip so why go through the black market when you can buy those shrooms legally off the internet for cheap as shit i mean like 20 bills a zip flip quarters for 35 bills(8ths of regular shrooms are 30-40 bucks) theres also a shit ton of people that want DMT but its pretty rare. I know people that been searching for years and still cant get it. I got it once off this hippy I met and this dude I used to work with sells it last time I heard...damn after reading what I typed I noticed I can probably get any drug I can think of lol

[TasK211]

DMT = smoking lawn grass .... Joe Rogan talks lots about this here, funny shit ...

[Grasstronaut]

dunno what kind of DMT you smoked but I had it in crystal form

[TasK211]

dunno what kind of DMT you smoked but I had it in crystal form
never smoked it, but the DMT crystals r formed on lawn grass and many other plants, even traces of it is in our system, undetermined how much though ... bak in the dayz when i first learned of it i was intriuged by the effects and what ppl experiances were so before i thought of doing it (ended up not) i always like to do some type of backround on my drugs (MDMA,MDA,shrooms, coke) <-- drug of choice HERB

[tanders]

damn after reading what I typed I noticed I can probably get any drug I can think of lol

yeah it's kinda fucked up, but after being around the game for a while you kinda start to meet everyone, and eventually things just present themselves as available. Hell even in the suburbs people are trying to run the hussle, and then there's people like me who deal in very legitimate business with some dank cali buds :D

[Grasstronaut]

yeah. I'm not in the game anymore but I still kno players so its all good. I miss the game but I dont miss the opposing team nah mean? cuz in this fucked up world we're the bad guys.I was the bad guy for helping people that needed meds oh yeah sure a majority of people smoke herb for fun but I knew a few people that smoke for whatever medical reason they needed. the depressed people that needed sativas the people in pain that dont wanna take pills so they smoke kush instead. society is so brainwashed it disgusts me. you cali heads are lucky as fuck. I'll be out there as soon as I can lol.

[Drums]

Being an east coaster during the first half of my life, I know what you're saying. In *general*, people there are more cynical, bitter, depressed, rude/etc. Many stereotypes exist for a reason: they're valid. But, as NY isn't one big slab of concrete populated by lower echelon mafia flunkies, and CA isn't one big beach filled with blonde surfers, there's millions of exceptions to the rules.

Grass: I lived around Scranton for a few years. I was The Man for "exotics" (Thai, Hawaian/etc)back in the day. We had coke that was stepped all over, but the big drug was meth. Seriously, say no to that crap. I could tell you horror stories all day, including the time I went to score and my connect had just done a meth-induced paranoid murder-suicide. Another time, when I heard the ambulance driver say over the radio: "there's no pulse, he's in shock and not responding"...and I realized he was talking about *me*...I decided to make some changes.

[TasK211]

And "they" say marijuana is a gateway drug?! ... X was my first and it lead me God knows what ... to starting to medicate from HERB in '04 <--- shit still a noob

[Bigsampson]

I used to smoke shit and live behind a Black Angus haha! You ever banged a crack head after she has washed in an AM/PM bathroom and dried of her pubes with a blowdryer! hahaha oh we are talking about a different game?

oh thank god for sobriety and free will!

[wheezer]

hahahahahaha!!!! MAAAAAAAAN YOU GUYS DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED!! I've been all over this country, and been in some of the worst holes you can imagine anywhere. Everywhere is the same, only different! Been around along time, been hard at it the whole time, been there done that, seen it all, done it twice. Now all I have to worry about are 2 things....Never waste a hard on, and Never trust a fart! NUFF SAID!

[_spoon_]

hahahahahaha!!!! MAAAAAAAAN YOU GUYS DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED!! I've been all over this country, and been in some of the worst holes you can imagine anywhere. Everywhere is the same, only different! Been around along time, been hard at it the whole time, been there done that, seen it all, done it twice. Now all I have to worry about are 2 things....Never waste a hard on, and Never trust a fart! NUFF SAID!

lol. i completelely agree with wheezer. i grew up in new jersey, college in maryland, lived in florida and vermont for 3 years each and finally the last 6 in california. it's the same everywhere. except vermont. that place rules. best people in the states by far. only problem is that theres no ocean and i grew up on a surfboard so thats why i left after 3 years.

[TasK211]

Now all I have to worry about are 2 things....Never waste a hard on, and Never trust a fart! NUFF SAID!

Not only do u fork out ur Growing (plant/Life) knowledge, U give us THIS!! ... Great LOL cant stop laughing !!!

[Calig909]

I've never tried any other substance aside from herb, and liquor if liquor even counts. lol. MDMA has no appeal to me. Maybe it's because all these stupid Jerk Kids just made me lose all interest in it. and some of the other ones seem just like way too much downside compared to good. I've always wanted to try some shroom variation. Mescaline is the official active ingredient i believe. I might try that at one point if i find a cool connect when they are in season..

and I'm So cal born and raised. 818 to 909 lol. My family is all from cleveland though, and i've been there once and i liked it.

[wheezer]

The active ingredient in shrooms is psylicybin(spelling?) Living in Florida most of my life,I was introduced to shrooms in jr. high school, before I really started smoking pot. Go in the cow pasture and get lost for hours!! Hell of a body buzz with them things, but I've seen more people freak out and have bad trips on shrooms than anything else. I could tell you a couple stories you wouldn't believe if you didn't see it.

[Kansas]

I had some crazy small orange round cap shrooms from Cali used to come with some bubblegum batches I was getting. Lets just say I ate an eighth smoked some bubblegum and tried to stand up 5 different times and blacked out each time just to hit my head on the landing 5x. Broke my glasses broke my face and tripped hard the rest of the night I even ripped my shoelaces out of my shoes and sober I tried to do that after and didnt have near the strength to do it level headed.

[Muter]

MDMA is fun, only do it once though because its very very addicting. shrooms are fun if its your thing. i had fun and i had terrible times on mush. its life changing stuff

[Wesley]

I actually only do the things that are allowed here. Weed, alcohol, tobacco and coffee. 2 downers and 2 uppers. In perfect balance, lol.

Really don't like dealing with dealers, happy with my coffeeshops.

I wanted to try some shrooms, but then they went illegal and in the time they were legal I was on medication. And I'm too lazy to find them in a field (they grow wild everywhere here).

[Mare Ahh Won Ahh]

Hahaha wow this turned into a interesting conversation :D

Smoke weed for life.

Did x a bunch of times and went down to the strip, but not in the longest time.
Tabs once, Zannys once. Salvia once.

Shrooms real soon.

[some guy]

Done shrooms about 100 times for a low estimation.
Done acid about the same, but 4 or 5 each time. So about 5 sheets(500 singles)worth.
Done x about 30-40 times
Was into the white for about 2 years before I realized what a waste of time it was. That was about 12 years ago now.
Don't drink except for maybe once a month or less. Usually about 12 beers when I do. Nothing hard. Drink it too fast and then it's all over.
Never smoked ciggs.
Never drink coffee either.
Just been tokin' buds for the last 10 years of life. That's all I need now.

Edit- Never had a bad shroom trip and most of them gave me the most amazing body highs I've ever had. Like a warmth in the pit of your stomach that slowly expands and takes over your body with a feeling that everything is perfect.

Only had one bad acid trip, but it was something to remember for sure. Everything was out to kill me and the acid was just plain badly synthesized and the gut rot and pain was too much as my body tried to metabolize it.

[Bigsampson]

I hate drugs and I have done most of the major street drugs far to many times...you know you are hardcore when the cops bust you in the Google office sites garbage with night vision on at 4 in the morning.

sober for 6 years and it feels good.!

[Muter]

really good to hear that bro, my uncle was on lots of the street stuff. he got clean about a year ago but recently passed. Keep on keepin on man.

[vacoast777]

how many of u guys used to smoke that dust juice. that was my thing back in the day dip a cigarette in sum ebalming fluid then man i once looked up at the sky thought it wuz red and the world was coming to an end only herb now lol man

[Grasstronaut]

I'm just gonna hope you meant balmin fluid as a slang term and not real embalming fluid because formaldehyde is NOT the same shit as phencyclidine.

But yeah I've smoked PCP before.

[vacoast777]

I'm just gonna hope you meant balmin fluid as a slang term and not real embalming fluid because formaldehyde is NOT the same shit as phencyclidine.

But yeah I've smoked PCP before.

ya exactly i meant it as slang thanks for cleanin up brother u know wut i mean good looking out. praise allah then jah

[Grasstronaut]

I just dont do it cuz I dont trust drug dealers around here lol but yeah my atheist ass aint praising shit my nigga

[vacoast777]

I hear that homies in dc wuz dippin nailpolish back in tha day making a killing but enuff of this hard drug talk all bout tha ganja. Imma praise him though ur entitled to yur opinion still mad love homie

[dahcwon]

forget that yellow liquid, for all you know somebody pee in it.

[wheezer]

Grasstronaut,..an atheist....I don't believe it!

[Grasstronaut]

I dunno if your joking or not lol

[wheezer]

no I'm not joking.....I don't believe it!

[Grasstronaut]

I don't believe in the god from the bible or from any religion. As far as I'm concerned I'm my own God and I'd be better then the biblical god. I wouldnt send "bad" people to "hell" anyway and I wouldnt let my son get nailed to a piece of wood lol. Who would you rather believe in? Yourself which you know is real or a dude in the sky that doesn't exist.

[Drums]

I don't believe in the god from the bible or from any religion. As far as I'm concerned I'm my own God and I'd be better then the biblical god. I wouldnt send "bad" people to "hell" anyway and I wouldnt let my son get nailed to a piece of wood lol. Who would you rather believe in? Yourself which you know is real or a dude in the sky that doesn't exist.>>>

Wow. What a sad and simplistic attitude.

[Grasstronaut]

lol oh and what do you believe in? a cosmic jewish zombie who was his other father that can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force that is presented in humanity because a rib woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. oh and this too. where was your god when 9/11 happened?

dont call my beliefs sad and simplistic when you believe in the biggest lie in history.

[Drums]

lol oh and what do you believe in? a cosmic jewish zombie who was his other father that can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force that is presented in humanity because a rib woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. oh and this too. where was your god when 9/11 happened?

dont call my beliefs sad and simplistic when you believe in the biggest lie in history.>>>

No, you just verified my assertion. "Where was God on 9/11"? Sooo...there should be *no* evil if God exists, yes?

[Grasstronaut]

Why would you wanna worship a god that lets fucked up shit happen anyway?

[Drums]

Why would you wanna worship a god that lets fucked up shit happen anyway?>>>

Sooo...God should rescind man's freedom of choice, yes?

[Grasstronaut]

Yeah sure why the fuck not? If god was real thats probably how shit would be. god would kno everything you do before you do it so do you really a choice?

[dahcwon]

If you believe in aliens then you must believe in god, I'll just say how could someone follow any religion that could f**k little boys. But lets all keep it real because religion is just big business like McDonald's.

[Grasstronaut]

But lets all keep it real because religion is just big business like McDonald's.

word man. fuck religion

[Drums]

If you believe in aliens then you must believe in god, I'll just say how could someone follow any religion that could f**k little boys. But lets all keep it real because religion is just big business like McDonald's.>>>

No, I don't believe in aliens. I don't believe in religion either. I *do* believe in the God of the Bible, and there's no way he "f**cks little boys." I'll assume you're talking about Catholicism, which I'm very much against, but once again you blame God for what *man* does. So...we should have no freedom of choice, yes?

[dahcwon]

The truth is hard for some to hear, I guess that would be faith's true trick.

[Drums]

The truth is hard for some to hear, I guess that would be faith's true trick.>>>

Got that right. Better/easier to go through life not thinking that you were created for a purpose, and that that creator might just hold you accountable for your actions. And you are assuming a *blind faith*, which I certainly do not have.

[dahcwon]

I believe that more people have been killed because of religion believe than any thing else to date.

[Drums]

I believe that more people have been killed because of religion believe than any thing else to date.>>>

Right. More than the Nazis and Communists huh?

Again, I'm against *religion*. Jesus doesn't advocated killing anyone.

[wheezer]

I know I would never call anyones beliefs simple, stupid, wrong, or a lie. I think everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want, and we should all be tolerant to all belief systems, as long as your belief system doesn't tell you to harm someone else for their belief system. Unfortunately, "religion" has been confused with "spirituality", which is where your true beliefs come from. Grasstronaut, I understand why you believe what you believe, and that's fine, I have no problem with that at all, but have the same respect for those who do believe, what you believe is a lie. The truth is, there is no proof either way, so it comes down to faith.
lol oh and what do you believe in? a cosmic jewish zombie who was his other father that can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force that is presented in humanity because a rib woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. oh and this too. where was your god when 9/11 happened?

dont call my beliefs sad and simplistic when you believe in the biggest lie in history.

[Drums]

I know I would never call anyones beliefs simple, stupid, wrong, or a lie. I think everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want, and we should all be tolerant to all belief systems, as long as your belief system doesn't tell you to harm someone else for their belief system. Unfortunately, "religion" has been confused with "spirituality", which is where your true beliefs come from. Grasstronaut, I understand why you believe what you believe, and that's fine, I have no problem with that at all, but have the same respect for those who do believe, what you believe is a lie. The truth is, there is no proof either way, so it comes down to faith.>>>

Right? Why is it ok to come here at basically attack me for my beliefs? Why is that ok? I never tried to "convert" anyone. I've been a decent, productive member of this board for longer than just about anyone. Nice guy, fairly knowledgable/intelligent/humorous (if I must say so myself), and yet because I'm a Christian I'm some kind of idiot? And before someone says I started it, I was calling what Grass said "sad & simplistic". If you're an athiest, go for it, but if you want to *debate* the issue, try upping your game beyond "...if there's a God, why is there so much evil in the world...blah, blah." , and then mocking my beliefs. If there *isn't* a God, why is there so much *good* in the world? My tiny church was on the first plane to Pass Christian, MS after Katrina, and we have an ongoing presence in Malawi where we're teaching them how to grow their crops better. Where does that come from, and how come we never saw any bus' full of athiests in either place?

btw- Great line from a Pillar song: "They can't prove that God doesn't exist because He took away all their evidence."

[Calig909]

>>>

Sooo...God should rescind man's freedom of choice, yes?

Well as Pico Della Mirandola said in his oration of the dignity of man. Men are above angels because we have freedom of choice. Angels work for the father and thus lack the free will to have the choice to descend into a life of sin if that is what they truly desire *except for some who like the devil broke the mold*. The fact that we are men give us the right to descent into whatever facets of life we may embrace.

I guess I'll give my spin of yarn on religion/spirituality/existence

IF there is a god, Humans have tried to characterize him but have failed and will fail every time. God is beyond any comprehension if there is something to comprehend. WE can look throughout history and find things that continually contradict themselves about the existence of a god compared to an empirical (evolution-esk) theory. We can note the males Vestigial rib which adds credence to the thought of adam and eve. Or we can look at humans vestigial tail which would claim that we had a tail in our lineage, from our simian cousins. Whether or not we are created from an entity or by some phenomenon we are here now. and we should accept it. I will not question you if you believe god exists, I will question you however if you belong to a religious sect.

Religion is just as corrupt as politics. And When i say religion I generally mean 'Western' religions, and that might be just because i lack the knowledge to talk honestly talk about eastern religions barring, Hinduism and Buddhism. The Teachings of Jesus Christ, are not bad teachings (I'm not running to follow them though). Despite the fact that the Church isn't the best the representation of the word of Jesus Christ in comparison to the people who wrote the bible or worse, King James *who completely perverts the word of christ*. Jesus, Allah, whoever you wanna priase, the Idea of a church muddles it all. There is no salvation in the vanity of being a part of a group. Your not joining something larger then yourself by saying that being in a church saves your soul. That would be to say that we are all 'pro stoners' just because we are a part of a community that is run by chubbs. The Ascension of mans spirit is completely individual. and While you can be a pat of a community to help your experience, There is no need for the community. I Could be a pro stoner without chubbs, The same way you can believe the word of christ without the corruption of the christian church. Religion is not needed.

I won't lie one of my problems with religion at my current point in life is the negative effect i see on the black community with religion. and Gasstronaut I'm guessin that your black like me so maybe you'll agree with what i have to say here. And to everybody else, I don't mean to turn this to a racial issue, But my race is part of my reason i disassociate with religion.

As i have said before in this post, The Existance of god doesn't bother me. it's orginized religion. and I'll make the long story short, But i rarely see strong secular blacks come out of the wood works, they're christian and they muddle the search for knoweldge, and what i see as progress. Like i said i'll keep my long story short. But maybe if i wasn't black maybe i'd like religion more, and not just utterly hate the thought of religion.

[dahcwon]

How about lets all agree to disagree on what we disagree about, but lets not let that interfere with us from working to better the thing we can agree about. Now that we know how others on this site feel about these issue let all try to respect each other believes.

[Drums]

Calig- As I said, I'm against *religion*. Let's get that distinction strait. "religion" is man's attempt to reach God. Jesus is God's attempt to reach man. Jesus + *anything* = "religion.", and I want no part of that. I follow the Bible. The Bible has enough evidence to support it that I have no choice. There's more *manuscript* evidence to support it than any works of Homer or Shakespeare. There's no shortage of archeological evidence. All the places still exist (unlike, say, the book of Mormon), and every find further proves scripture. There's prophetic evidence. OT prophets wrote about Jesus 1000+ years before he was born...from his exact birth date and place to how he would die (crucifixion hadn't even been invented when Isaiah wrote about it). Finally, there's statistical evidence (that goes hand-in-hand with the prophetic). The odds of one person fulfilling all the predictions of the OT prophets is off-the-chart ridiculous.

If you have *any* "empirical evidence" for (macro) evolution, please share it. Still waiting for the first one.

And, while I agree with your disdain for "religion", a *church* is necessary. Jesus set up the system. Man perverts it. I said earlier here, when the 2nd plane hit the TT, I didn't know what was happening, but I knew I needed to be with my brothers and sisters in my church. My church is very active in fire relief/rebuilding. Be hard to do that by myself. The Bible says to "not forsake the assembly of the brothers". There's no such thing as a Long Wolf Christian. Yes, you can be "saved" and go to heaven if you never leave your house...but it's not what we're called to do.

And I know some freaking *brilliant* Black theologians who do anything *but* "muddle the search for knowledge". I fail to see how your race should have anything to do with your spirituality.

[Bigsampson]

ATHESIM is awesome! I have been a *devout* Atheist for 10 years! No but seriously chris hitchens , Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins! Science is just plain rad and it actually provides proof.

[DuctTapeTheory]

Richard Dawkins:

"...when two opposite points of view are expressed with equal intensity, the truth does not necessarily lie exactly halfway between them. It is possible for one side to be simply wrong."

Skeleton Crew:

Eve didn't make a monkey out of a man, she made a man out of a monkey.
Eve didn't make a monkey out of a man, she made a man out of a monkey.
Eve didn't make a monkey out of a man, she made a man out of a monkey.

Get down outta that tree!!
Get down outta that tree!!
Get down outta that tree!!

[Drums]

Richard Dawkins:


Skeleton Crew:

(said in old, black preacher accent. I was there, it's what he sounds like. Not being racial) "Horses is still havin colts. Cows is still havin calfs. I wants to know...where's the monkeys havin mens tuh-day?" E.V. Hill

[Drums]

ATHESIM is awesome! I have been a *devout* Atheist for 10 years! No but seriously chris hitchens , Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins! Science is just plain rad and it actually provides proof.

"Actually provides proof." Of athiesm? Care to share it? Care to share just *1* piece of evidence for macroevolution? "Proof"...like Piltdown Man? Recapitulation? Archaeopteryx? Science, at least in the case of a couple laws of thermodynamics (entropy, energy conservation/etc), seems to *disprove* evolution.

Hey, believe what you want, but lets be honest...the only reason *I* can think of for people to embrace athiesm is because, if you can somehow "prove" there's no creator, you are no longer accountable to him/her/it/them, therefore you can do whatever you want. And, btw, if you can do whatever you want, and you choose to do something evil, you have to right to blame the God whom you claim doesn't exist for it.

[Wesley]

I leave this place for a lil' while and this thread changes in a weird discussion about everything :p

[stak]

a discussion about god's existence on an internet forum. how fresh :)

[Bigsampson]

they provide proof that science is rad! thats about it haha

[vacoast777]

all u atheists i advice you to take a trip to my birth place palestine or so called israel and walk through the forests at night or the mountains u will witness all kinds of spirtual beings which science has no explanation of whatsover. ive seen things that would make u a devout believer. ive had a near death experience before as well saw a big beam of light and a tunnel. take a trip to egypt walk alongside the pyramids at night you will see things you will never understand go to a place with a ton of relgious history it will open your eyes. this is just what i have seen but your entitled to what u believe at the end of the day but just take a trip to these places itll open your eyes. just my point of view see the world before you judge, america isnt the only country in the world and no i dont hate america i love it here so much freedom no other place i rather be

[Muter]

Im gonig to enter into this now even though the thread should have been locked awhile ago. I believe in a creator. God? No, but there is a greater being out there. Science has proved how the earth came to be, and you cannot argue that. Watch some stephen hawkings. What this all really comes down to is faith. Whether you can believe in "god" or not. I would say i am spritual, and that i believe in souls and spirits and demons. But god? thats just hogwash. Its just impossible, the way the church has put it, for there to be someone living up in the sky watching our every move, striking evil down. Ive seen and felt some pretty spiritual things, but to say thats because of god is wrong. There is something else out there, we all should agree on that, that does not regulate daily life, lives arent predetermined, that we cannot see. Disagree if you must but i put in my two cents.

[Drums]

Im gonig to enter into this now even though the thread should have been locked awhile ago. I believe in a creator. God? No, but there is a greater being out there. Science has proved how the earth came to be, and you cannot argue that. Watch some stephen hawkings. What this all really comes down to is faith. Whether you can believe in "god" or not. I would say i am spritual, and that i believe in souls and spirits and demons. But god? thats just hogwash. Its just impossible, the way the church has put it, for there to be someone living up in the sky watching our every move, striking evil down. Ive seen and felt some pretty spiritual things, but to say thats because of god is wrong. There is something else out there, we all should agree on that, that does not regulate daily life, lives arent predetermined, that we cannot see. Disagree if you must but i put in my two cents.>>>

So, there's no way to disagree without calling my (and 90% of the rest of the world's ) beliefs "hogwash"?

Its just impossible, the way the church has put it, for there to be someone living up in the sky watching our every move, striking evil down>>>

What "church" are you referring to? It's certainly not a *Christian* belief. God *will* ultimately "strike evil down", but in His time, not ours. And in His way...not when/how *we* feel he should.

[Muter]

Drums, read that and i hope you realize how ridiculous that sounds. The catholic church OBVIOUSLY. God will ultimately strike evil down, in his time? what is his time. If he is here, why hasnt he done anything? The world is a shithole, and a paradise. Its what we make it, and "god" cannot regulate it. I know there is no convincing you otherwise, and frankly, i dont want to convince you because your beliefs are your beliefs and they arent the same as mine.

[Drums]

Drums, read that and i hope you realize how ridiculous that sounds. The catholic church OBVIOUSLY. God will ultimately strike evil down, in his time? what is his time. If he is here, why hasnt he done anything? The world is a shithole, and a paradise. Its what we make it, and "god" cannot regulate it. I know there is no convincing you otherwise, and frankly, i dont want to convince you because your beliefs are your beliefs and they arent the same as mine.>>>

So I've gone from "hogwash" to "ridiculous." "Why hasn't God done anything?"?? What, exactly, should he "be doing"? What would you do differently?Because *you* obviously have a better plan. The world is "a shithole" because of man, not God. People live their comfortable lives, enjoying football, sunsets, In-N-Out Burgers, sex, love and Kush, and God gets no credit. But as soon as some nutjobs fly planes into a building, God gets the blame.

[Muter]

I knew if i posted in here you would act like this. I just wanted to state my opinion. I dont think he should be doing anything because to me, he doesnt exist. And i know its a shit hole because of man. But if there was a so called god, why wouldnt he do something to fix this? And when nutjobs fly planes into buildings, i blame the corrupt government. Good day.

[Bigsampson]

I love it!

[Grasstronaut]

I love it!

best thing said in the thread so far. blaze on nigga. I'm bout to twist up a fat blunt of BD

[Drums]

I knew if i posted in here you would act like this. I just wanted to state my opinion. I dont think he should be doing anything because to me, he doesnt exist. And i know its a shit hole because of man. But if there was a so called god, why wouldnt he do something to fix this? And when nutjobs fly planes into buildings, i blame the corrupt government. Good day.>>>

"Act like this."?? Dude. Relax. You called my beliefs "hogwash" and "ridiculous", and you're acting like *you* are the offended one. I'm totally cool. Believe what you want. However, *I* believe your beliefs make a few false assumptions. You "assume" what the Catholic Church (that I'm opposed to) believes. And you assume God "isn't doing anything." Obviously a broad and unsustainable position. Can you be more specific? Ok...I will:

God gave Mexico farmland, minerals, oil, tourism, seacoast, etc, and yet 90% of the people are poor and the other 10% are shooting at each other. A) How is that God's fault? B) What should He do to "fix it"? C) What would you do if you were God?

[Bigsampson]

well i will say that I have finally decided what to be for Halloween. God's gift to women! Some wrapping paper and a tag saying from: GOD to: women

awesome ! just seen a pic of some doucher college kid rocking the great idea that i didnt come up with!

[Bigsampson]

haha he said hogwash what a funny word.....reminds me of this one time when I was 16 working at a fast food place. This hard ass GANGSTA looking brother came in with corn rows and Dickies. He said "CAN A NIGGA GET A CHEESECAKE! THAQT SHIT IS S C R U M P T I O U S!" haha I was like wow I never heard any one say scrumptious let alone a gangsta brotha. One of the funniest things I have ever heard. CALIFORNIA IS COMEDY! I LOVE IT!

[DuctTapeTheory]

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God gave Mexico farmland, minerals, oil, tourism, seacoast, etc, and yet 90% of the people are poor and the other 10% are shooting at each other. A) How is that God's fault? B) What should He do to "fix it"? C) What would you do if you were God?

"God gave Mexico tourism"...like the Spanish conquistadors?

Talk about hogwash!

[Drums]

"God gave Mexico tourism"...like the Spanish conquistadors?

Talk about hogwash!
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??? You too? You know what I'm talking about. You don't have to be a dick.

[wheezer]

Personally, I think this thread has gotten way out of hand. People have been waring over their beliefs since the beginning of time, and it's not going to stop until it's all over.Drums, as a believer your not going to convince the non- believers and the non-believers are not going to convince the believers. There are alot of religious or spiritual websites that people debate and argue over thier beliefs. This is not my web-site, but I don't think this discussion should even be going on here.This is a marijuana web-site, let's talk about MJ instead of argueing about something noone is going to win, and it's just going to cause division among the stoners here. I am not even going to comment on my beliefs on here....I just don't think this is the place for it, but you guys have a blast....I'm not cracking open this thread again at all....

[Drums]

Personally, I think this thread has gotten way out of hand. People have been waring over their beliefs since the beginning of time, and it's not going to stop until it's all over.Drums, as a believer your not going to convince the non- believers and the non-believers are not going to convince the believers. There are alot of religious or spiritual websites that people debate and argue over thier beliefs. This is not my web-site, but I don't think this discussion should even be going on here.This is a marijuana web-site, let's talk about MJ instead of argueing about something noone is going to win, and it's just going to cause division among the stoners here. I am not even going to comment on my beliefs on here....I just don't think this is the place for it, but you guys have a blast....I'm not cracking open this thread again at all....
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I'm not trying to "convince nonbelievers". People can worship rocks for all I care. But if someone attacks *my* beliefs, especially when they base it on false assumptions, I'm NOT going to ignore it.

And locking down threads is ridiculous.

[Calig909]

This is probably the last time Ill respond to this thread, while it won't be the last time that i read this thread.

1.) Wheezer is right that this conversation is out of hand, but I don't think it's inappropriate topic to have on these forums. Just because I feel like we would want to talk about more then just us smoking pot and growing plants. I find some sort of weird fascination by the fact that we are all in a community, and take pride in having regular conversations outside of our topic range of just pot. But all in all, Your right wheezer. btw i must ask, how did you come up with the name wheezer if you read this post again. Are you a fan of the band, or just because you smoke pot and 'wheeze'? My curiosity is sparked. *maybe i'll make a thread of how we get our avatar names*

2.) drums, I by no means was trying to debate or argue your personal spiritual religious or whatever word you want to put. I posted my response with Pico Della mirandola as a response to the one question you had posed, as a way to continue to the conversation, and as a direct response to that one response you had left about free will and choices. After that I posted my opinion, About my spirituality, and beliefs, I wasn't trying to disprove yours, I was just trying to express mine. and you jumped down my throat man. I even said, I'll try to explain my opinion, not trying to repudiate yours.

I honestly respect that you are an opinionated dude, But I wasn't trying to argue your faith.

I'm not offended by your opinion, but I'm slightly offended at the way that you approach other people with different opinions. If you honestly read my post about my beliefs, you will notice that even if i use the word 'you' i wasn't directly saying you as in drums. I was saying you as if i was just talking to anybody. But Whatever I suppose. i have Mid Term papers I should be writing rather then waste my time over this.

And btw, black theologians who research religion is not what i meant. I mean the fact that large black mega churches and small churches alike, spread the belief that Michael Jackson got Vitaligo *sp* and died from the free masons and the 'sins' he had obtained from his lack of piousness. That Jay-Z is the devil and Beyonce is some devil succubus. The fact that Tyler Perry gets more praise because he makes peice of shit movies that have blacks as christians. compared to aaron mcgruder who made the boondocks which honestly made a funny satire about the black community but gets chastised because it shows my/our stereotypes and blacks get offended. Or the fact that in my community of friends whom are black I am the only atheist i know and My friends, cousins, parents, brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles all use the church as their moral guideline and make desicions that ME PERSONALLY as a black male find contradictory to any logical black person if they weren't guided by the church.

But This is my Life experience drums, Not yours, And my life is different from yours. I wanted to express my opinion so you guys could better understand me, not to debate what you believed in. But like i said. I'm done. I have homework that i need to finish.

[Drums]

Calig: I never heard any of that Michael Jackson nonsense. I think we both agree that's ridiculous. But I'll leave ya'll with this: don't blame God for the actions of those who "claim his name."

[DuctTapeTheory]

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??? You too? You know what I'm talking about. You don't have to be a dick.

Sorry, man. I don't want to be a dick.

I don't believe in a god. I am grateful to be alive in this imperfect world. And when my lights go out I hope to have the presence of mind to passionately kiss the world goodbye.