NNCC In Reseda Raided Today?

[Chubbs]

I am doing my best to confirm this but apparently Natures Natural Collective Care (NNCC) has been raided.

Anyone have any additional info?

--Chubbs

[DPHil.Socrates]

Well, from what I can gather at other websites, it appears that in fact yes, NNCC was raided. The strange thing is that it seems NNCC was raided by LAPD... Now I don't claim to be a lawyer or anything, but since LAPD is a function of the state, shouldn't they leave collectives alone? From what I've understood, only DEA and FBI - bodies of the national government, were allowed, or even had the proper jurisdiction, to perform raids.

Now, I also am unaware of the legitimacy of this collective, so perhaps that played a role in why the state was performing the raid, and not a national figurehead. NNCC has been around for four years though, so you'd think by now they'd have their act together, which makes this even stranger...

Anyone else have some inside dirt on the matter? This seems like a very strange situation, especially after the movement was passed to allow all state-compliant collectives the ability to exist unfettered by any law/drug enforcement entity.

[Chubbs]

Well, from what I can gather at other websites, it appears that in fact yes, NNCC was raided. The strange thing is that it seems NNCC was raided by LAPD... Now I don't claim to be a lawyer or anything, but since LAPD is a function of the state, shouldn't they leave collectives alone? From what I've understood, only DEA and FBI - bodies of the national government, were allowed, or even had the proper jurisdiction, to perform raids.

Now, I also am unaware of the legitimacy of this collective, so perhaps that played a role in why the state was performing the raid, and not a national figurehead. NNCC has been around for four years though, so you'd think by now they'd have their act together, which makes this even stranger...

Anyone else have some inside dirt on the matter? This seems like a very strange situation, especially after the movement was passed to allow all state-compliant collectives the ability to exist unfettered by any law/drug enforcement entity.

As a medical marijuana collective owner, trust me when I tell you there are a million ways you can get shut down by almost a million different agencies.

I hope everything works out and that they are open again soon.

--Chubbs

[IE420Patient]

Well, from what I can gather at other websites, it appears that in fact yes, NNCC was raided. The strange thing is that it seems NNCC was raided by LAPD... Now I don't claim to be a lawyer or anything, but since LAPD is a function of the state, shouldn't they leave collectives alone? From what I've understood, only DEA and FBI - bodies of the national government, were allowed, or even had the proper jurisdiction, to perform raids.

Now, I also am unaware of the legitimacy of this collective, so perhaps that played a role in why the state was performing the raid, and not a national figurehead. NNCC has been around for four years though, so you'd think by now they'd have their act together, which makes this even stranger...

Anyone else have some inside dirt on the matter? This seems like a very strange situation, especially after the movement was passed to allow all state-compliant collectives the ability to exist unfettered by any law/drug enforcement entity.

strange situation this is... i wonder what information will come out of this.

[IE420Patient]

This is from a few days ago ...

LA DA Vowes to Target Pot Shops (http://cbs2.com/local/steve.cooley.district.2.1256507.html)

Clay Tepel knew there were risks to setting up a medical marijuana shop: it could lose money, be robbed or be raided by authorities.

Still, he wasn't expecting the phone call one August day when a voice said the police were outside and he needed to open up or they would bust down the door.

His first thought that it was a joke turned to terror when he opened the door.

Heavily armed officers in helmets, bulletproof vests and, oddly enough, Bermuda shorts stormed his store, handcuffed him, disabled security cameras and seized his drugs before taking him to jail.

When he asked why his shop was invaded, an officer responded, "We're closing them all down."

Those words could prove prescient after Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley said last week he wants to shutter clinics that sell pot for profit.

Cooley's plan is the latest salvo in a prolonged conflict in California over whether medical marijuana is truly having its intended effect or is being abused by the larger population.

Until recently, raids on clinics typically led to federal prosecutions, but Cooley's remarks and similar ones from Attorney General Jerry Brown signal a new approach to clear the haze left by Proposition 215, the 1996 state ballot measure that allowed sick people with referrals from doctors and an identification card to smoke pot.

"Everybody is scared," said Tepel, who has spoken with other pot store operators. "Why are voters' rights being stepped all over? This kind of blind justice has to stop."

The crackdown is a crushing blow for dispensary owners who were relieved earlier this year when U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said federal agents would only target marijuana distributors who violate both federal and state laws.

Under federal law, marijuana is illegal.

Holder's comments appear to have emboldened entrepreneurs as marijuana shops cropped up across California.

In Los Angeles alone, there are an estimated 800 dispensaries, more than any other city in the nation.

In 2005, there were only four, authorities said.

Cooley contends a vast majority of several hundred outlets his office investigated aren't following state law.

Initially, the law allowed authorized marijuana users to grow their own plants, but lawmakers revised the law in 2003 to allow collectives to provide pot grown by members.

Cooley said he would target stores who are profiting and selling to people who don't qualify for medicinal marijuana.

"All those who are operating illegally, our advice to them is to shut down voluntarily and they won't be subject to prosecution," Cooley told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

At the same time, advocates are gathering signatures to get as many as three pot-legalization measures on next year's ballot in California.

One poll shows voters would support legalizing marijuana outright. Thirteen states, including California, allow medical marijuana.

Cooley said his office has been assessing the rush of marijuana dispensaries for the past two years and has provided training for his staff over the past several months in anticipation of filing cases.

"Holder's statement probably created the impression that there wasn't going to be any federal investigation or prosecution of these entities," Cooley said. "There has to be some clarification."

Some legal observers believe the first case Cooley files since his announcement will show how egregious the illegal behavior has become among medical marijuana outlets.

"He's going to find a dispensary that is way over the line," said Rory Little, a professor at the University of California Hastings College of Law.

Among the candidates are Jeffrey Joseph, who runs Organica and was arrested in August but has yet to be charged.

Authorities recovered 452 marijuana plants, more than 100 pounds of hashish and more than $100,000 in cash from his home and dispensaries in Marina del Rey and Culver City.

Defense attorney William Kroger said authorities fail to account for expenses and other costs dispensary owners incur and the proliferation of new rivals has hurt business.

"Most of my clients aren't making a lot of money," said Kroger, who represents about a dozen other owners. "I'd like to see Cooley sit down with us and keep shops open for those who need it and thin out the herd so there aren't so many of them."

James Shaw of the Union of Medical Marijuana Patients, an advocacy group for users, said his group plans to file a lawsuit against the city and county of Los Angeles to prohibit prosecution of legal organizations.

While the definition of a compliant dispensary is open to interpretation, Shaw said it's up to local municipalities to determine what matches up best with state law.

"Wherever there are regulations, there is less need for law enforcement intervention," Shaw said.

Nowhere is the topic more muddled than in Los Angeles, where city officials say plenty of people are getting high for the wrong reasons.

While the city has had a moratorium prohibiting new medical marijuana facilities for two years, officials have been unable to pass an ordinance governing the dispensaries.

More than 180 dispensaries qualified to remain open under the moratorium, but many others took advantage of a loophole known as a "hardship exemption" that allowed them to open while awaiting city approval.

Tepel, a married father of four, agrees some pot clinics abuse the system but he maintains he had all the proper paperwork and followed the rules.

If police had thoroughly investigated, they would have found most of his customers were either older or female, as opposed to younger men, and many grew their own marijuana and sold the drug to Tepel as allowed by the state.

After investing tens of thousands of dollars, Tepel argued it will take years to recoup his investment.

Tepel believes his shop in a strip mall with tinted black windows was targeted because it was on a busy street and not "in the hood or in a back alley."
"We're not tatted-up drug dealers. This is a family run operation," said Tepel, who is scheduled to be arraigned Monday on one count of felony possession of marijuana with the intent to sell. "I don't want to do anything to jeopardize my future, my family's future. We didn't deserve this."

[DPHil.Socrates]

That sucks. I thought the laws were pretty clear cut there, but I guess not.

[IE420Patient]

video on that d.a.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy477GfG8WI&feature=player_embedded</EMBED>

[Mare Ahh Won Ahh]

What a shame :(
When are people gunna wake up and smell the flowers?

I hope Cali fully legalizes Marijuana, maybe other states will realize that it's a good thing and not the evil drug it was projected as.

[DPHil.Socrates]

What a shame :(
When are people gunna wake up and smell the flowers?

I hope Cali fully legalizes Marijuana, maybe other states will realize that it's a good thing and not the evil drug it was projected as.

You don't even want to know what my Senator in Illinois is calling modern marijuana...

http://kirk.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3630&Itemid=98

I wonder what he would think if he saw some of the CannabisCup entries if he thinks Kush is the be-all-end-all of powerful pot! Hahahahaha. (I'm voting Democrat next election, for obvious reasons.)

[Mare Ahh Won Ahh]

I wonder what he would think if he saw some of the CannabisCup entries if he thinks Kush is the be-all-end-all of powerful pot! Hahahahaha. (I'm voting Democrat next election, for obvious reasons.)



I think this video is the worst though, DEA agent and reporter say Marijuana WILL kill you. Fox News is just ill informed and straight up liars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcPF59CoGvs

[Chef]

Two steps forward and one step back.

[Chubbs]

Two steps forward and one step back.

This is a pretty big step back thought.

NNCC was a great shop. Man I hope they come back stronger/smarter than ever.

--Chubbs

[IE420Patient]

Has there been any new news or details on this? I find it strange that a few dispensaries were raided a few days ago and NO mention in the media....

[Chubbs]

Has there been any new news or details on this? I find it strange that a few dispensaries were raided a few days ago and NO mention in the media....

It's been briefly mentioned every day for the last couple days on the channel 11 morning news.

But they are a bunch of retards and never seem to get anything right.

--Chubbs

[Herb]

This is definitely frustrating. I just hope the federal mandate that came down this week will start be recognized and enforced. Goes to show that dispensary and collective owners need to really have their legal rights and all their processes totally in order, as it seems we have more to worry about on the state level at this point.

[SantaCruzMts]

You don't even want to know what my Senator in Illinois is calling modern marijuana...

http://kirk.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3630&Itemid=98

I wonder what he would think if he saw some of the CannabisCup entries if he thinks Kush is the be-all-end-all of powerful pot! Hahahahaha. (I'm voting Democrat next election, for obvious reasons.)


Wow that dude might actually be from another planet. He could not be any more out of touch with reality than he is or any less informed about the subject he is talking about! Amazing :confused:

[m1ke]

one thing i read in the posts above about them targeting shops that sell pot for profit... i mean the prices you guys have out there are outrageous enough, you think it really cost that much to produce? i don't think these business should be run for profit and i can assure you at 50/hq and upwards that is profit... lol.

any ideas on this one? is there a difference in business like this?

[Chubbs]

one thing i read in the posts above about them targeting shops that sell pot for profit... i mean the prices you guys have out there are outrageous enough, you think it really cost that much to produce? i don't think these business should be run for profit and i can assure you at 50/hq and upwards that is profit... lol.

any ideas on this one? is there a difference in business like this?

You MUST run your medical marijuana collective as a true non-profit or you are at risk of being shut down every day. It's that simple.

But just because someone is selling $50,60 or even 70 1/8th's does not mean they are profitable.

It's business 101 people, keep in mind that collectives have a ton of overhead. Not easy keeping the doors open every day.

--Chubbs

[m1ke]

You MUST run your medical marijuana collective as a true non-profit or you are at risk of being shut down every day. It's that simple.

But just because someone is selling $50,60 or even 70 1/8th's does not mean they are profitable.

It's business 101 people, keep in mind that collectives have a ton of overhead. Not easy keeping the doors open every day.

--Chubbs

well that clarifies it. it just seems like murder or some of the prices, but no doubt you are getting top notch. don't get me wrong,

and chubbsie... business 101 is make money... lol

people are in business for money, mostly. if you are in a business that is not advantageous for you to be in, then you most likely have an alternate sort of income or are truely devoted to your cause.

if you are, i applaud you. but don't make it seem like you don't make money.

[IE420Patient]

well that clarifies it. it just seems like murder or some of the prices, but no doubt you are getting top notch. don't get me wrong,

and chubbsie... business 101 is make money... lol

people are in business for money, mostly. if you are in a business that is not advantageous for you to be in, then you most likely have an alternate sort of income or are truely devoted to your cause.

if you are, i applaud you. but don't make it seem like you don't make money.

You have to remember, just about EVERYTHING is more expensive in California.

In LA, I belong to two collectives. One is probably the most expensive out there with exotic 8th's topping over $100.00 (it was the first one I joined after getting my card). Average 8th's are $60-65. But, there are a few things I noticed about this place.

1. The place is very large and clean with everything organized. There is a nice sized waiting area, the medicine is displayed and stored appropriately, there is a separate office area, multiple camera's installed...
2. They have a clean bathroom you can use.
3. There are always multiple staff working. One person checks you in and there can be two to three bud-tenders at anytime along with the owner and security guard.
4. Located in a high traffic area on main street with ample parking which in LA means high rent.
5. Variety of medicine offered.

Because of these high prices I found an alternative collective (recommended by a trusted person I know) literally a mile around the corner but, on the wrong size of the tracks. This cheaper collective run average 8th's at $50-55 with some 8th's being as low as $20-30. Here's what I noticed at this place:

1. Place is small. Very small ... about the size of a one-bedroom apartment.
2. No bathroom which you can use.
3. Only staff is a security guard who also does the check in and the owner/operator who is also the bud-tender.
4. Parking can be difficult
5. Variety of medicine is limited and not consistent.
6. Location can be a bit sketchy which means low rent.
10. No website, no web presence.

So, in comparing the two business operations of each of these collectives I can understand how and why prices fluctuate so much in California. The more expensive collective just has way more overhead. Also, I've heard many people working in collectives make actually good money ... it's no minimum wage job.

Like most patients, I do wish the prices would come down (I hear of some awesome prices in Colorado such as $10-11 gram and $25-30 8th's for top shelf meds). But, for me my safety is also at issue so a cheap price is not always going to sway me. I have to feel safe walking in a collective and know my information is being fully protected. Even though I feel nothing will happen to me, even in the two examples I mentioned I above, I feel much more "safer" at my more expensive collective. In fact if not recommended, I would have never joined the cheaper collective although I would have never found it in the first place on my own and once Chubbs gets back into the O.C. I'll probably drop my cheaper collective all together or use only as a last resort.

[DPHil.Socrates]

This is an issue I feel that cannot be dealt with really in any depth due to the legal matters that can become of it. Obviously these collectives are going to be making money, especially the more elaborate and sophisticated operations, it's impossible for them not to. Impossible. The amount of money involved in large collectives on a day to day basis, especially considering how some collectives manage to get bud from their own grows, is too high in order for the collective to not be making some income.

I know legally no collective can say this, without risking being shut down, but collectives make money. If in-fact the collectives are truely non-profit, they must always be in a deficit, which no one in their right mind would allow. Since there would be a fine line between breaking even, and losing money, it'd be impossible for a collective to maintain a running deficit, breaking even being even more improbable. So at some point, no matter what, the collective is making money.

[m1ke]

This is an issue I feel that cannot be dealt with really in any depth due to the legal matters that can become of it. Obviously these collectives are going to be making money, especially the more elaborate and sophisticated operations, it's impossible for them not to. Impossible. The amount of money involved in large collectives on a day to day basis, especially considering how some collectives manage to get bud from their own grows, is too high in order for the collective to not be making some income.

I know legally no collective can say this, without risking being shut down, but collectives make money. If in-fact the collectives are truely non-profit, they must always be in a deficit, which no one in their right mind would allow. Since there would be a fine line between breaking even, and losing money, it'd be impossible for a collective to maintain a running deficit, breaking even being even more improbable. So at some point, no matter what, the collective is making money.


yup, thats what i was sayin man. you'd have to be a blind, deaf and dumb (pardon the expression) to run one that makes no money.

lol, chubbs, i understand from a legal perspective you make "no money" lol, but exactly that, if the shop can grow their own? overhead my ass lol for the product you sell lol. other than bills/maintenance/legals etc. like your wages and etc... if you make too much, just pay yourself more, right? lol

[DPHil.Socrates]

That's one thing I don't understand. If a collective is non-profit, wouldn't the owner have to make 0 dollars himself? Otherwise he's being compensated for his time, effort, and materials, which is pretty much a job, right? And who's to say what someone should be paid for their time, if they do, they're putting a value on the collective, which is supposed to be non-profit. It's all very unclear to me.

[Chubbs]

well that clarifies it. it just seems like murder or some of the prices, but no doubt you are getting top notch. don't get me wrong,

and chubbsie... business 101 is make money... lol

people are in business for money, mostly. if you are in a business that is not advantageous for you to be in, then you most likely have an alternate sort of income or are truely devoted to your cause.

if you are, i applaud you. but don't make it seem like you don't make money.

I started NUGGETRY as a hobby just like MR and it blew up just like MR.

I do not make any $ from MR and I make very little $ from NUGGETRY.

100% of the income my wife and I use to support ourselves comes from my other 2 online companies.


yup, thats what i was sayin man. you'd have to be a blind, deaf and dumb (pardon the expression) to run one that makes no money.

lol, chubbs, i understand from a legal perspective you make "no money" lol, but exactly that, if the shop can grow their own? overhead my ass lol for the product you sell lol. other than bills/maintenance/legals etc. like your wages and etc... if you make too much, just pay yourself more, right? lol

LOLOL. Man you have no clue.

The daily expenses mount up SO fast.

Don't get me wrong, collectives make money. But you do not get rich running one.

Who knows, maybe if you set up a schwag hut and still charge top dollar you'll make a killing.

But for me, we ONLY stock fire and that shit is expensive.


That's one thing I don't understand. If a collective is non-profit, wouldn't the owner have to make 0 dollars himself? Otherwise he's being compensated for his time, effort, and materials, which is pretty much a job, right? And who's to say what someone should be paid for their time, if they do, they're putting a value on the collective, which is supposed to be non-profit. It's all very unclear to me.

As a director of a non-profit, I am able to reasonably compensate myself for my time.

Obviously everybody's idea of reasonable is different but I can tell you for sure, pay yourself too much and you're done.

--Chubbs

[m1ke]

I started NUGGETRY as a hobby just like MR and it blew up just like MR.

I do not make any $ from MR and I make very little $ from NUGGETRY.

100% of the income my wife and I use to support ourselves comes from my other 2 online companies.



LOLOL. Man you have no clue.

The daily expenses mount up SO fast.

Don't get me wrong, collectives make money. But you do not get rich running one.

Who knows, maybe if you set up a schwag hut and still charge top dollar you'll make a killing.

But for me, we ONLY stock fire and that shit is expensive.



As a director of a non-profit, I am able to reasonably compensate myself for my time.

Obviously everybody's idea of reasonable is different but I can tell you for sure, pay yourself too much and you're done.

--Chubbs

chubbs, i'm not targeting nuggetry here. lol. :cool:
i'm just saying, i've heard you guys talk about some of the outrageous prices at some collectives. i'm more talkin about those guys than anyone else when I'm considering how much money is being made. and really, those prices are unrealistic for the average person to afford, since its not covered by a drug plan or anything.

i mean i don't think i could afford the antibiotics, anti-depressants, anti-anxiety, ADHD medications that for example I took daily, minus the anti-biotics. It is almost impossible without a drug plan or some sort of social asisstance to afford those monthly or it costs a large majority of the averga person's income.

high quality medicine should be the only medicine available and I would take a shit on the doorstep of a shwag shop gladly. however, being high quality, should be a standard and made more accessible to people who access it.

I'm curious since I don't like in california how much difficulties people here have paying for their medications?

[m1ke]

on that note, the Canadian government supplies medical marijuana to the patients, criticised for being low in stregth at a standarized 12.5&#37;, but its $5 gram and its dried, cured to 14% mositure content.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/marihuana/supply-approvis/dried-information-sechee-eng.php

so i could smoke two gram joints for 10 dollars and geet the same quanitity as a 25% plant that a gram is sold for $25 plus.. i do howeever know, the main aim of producing high potency medical marijuana is to reduce the harmful effects due to the intake of the smoke, but obviously smoking less. but still